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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://zentofitness.com/living-with-grains-in-a-modern-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of thoughts: 

If you look at a menu from around 1900 or so, say a menu from the Titanic, you will find a glut of fatty meats, organ meats, oxtail soup, etc. Nary a brown rice dish in sight. Yet the life expectancy of that time was what, in the 50s and 60s?

Also, beds from that period were shorter than they are today.

Could it be that poor sanitation and, later, pollution have been factors in the &quot;shortening&quot; of humankind in the developed nations? When people stopped being nomadic and started growing crops they built latrines that they used over and over. Spoiled food was left in a big pile near the village. And they started domesticating livestock, so they were exposed to animal waste daily, often in their homes.

When large cities were formed because of factories and seaports, chamber pots emptied out the window into the street was common, and streets were slippery slides of horse sludge. Later, in the late 1800s and early 1900s, gas lamps lit every home, depositing soot on everything and everyone. Yet the more affluent occupants were big meat eaters.

Also, some of us are concerned about the ethical and health problems which factory farms raise. I live in an area where it is hard to find organic beef or free-range chicken and if you do find it is expensive.

I enjoy the blog. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of thoughts: </p>
<p>If you look at a menu from around 1900 or so, say a menu from the Titanic, you will find a glut of fatty meats, organ meats, oxtail soup, etc. Nary a brown rice dish in sight. Yet the life expectancy of that time was what, in the 50s and 60s?</p>
<p>Also, beds from that period were shorter than they are today.</p>
<p>Could it be that poor sanitation and, later, pollution have been factors in the &#8220;shortening&#8221; of humankind in the developed nations? When people stopped being nomadic and started growing crops they built latrines that they used over and over. Spoiled food was left in a big pile near the village. And they started domesticating livestock, so they were exposed to animal waste daily, often in their homes.</p>
<p>When large cities were formed because of factories and seaports, chamber pots emptied out the window into the street was common, and streets were slippery slides of horse sludge. Later, in the late 1800s and early 1900s, gas lamps lit every home, depositing soot on everything and everyone. Yet the more affluent occupants were big meat eaters.</p>
<p>Also, some of us are concerned about the ethical and health problems which factory farms raise. I live in an area where it is hard to find organic beef or free-range chicken and if you do find it is expensive.</p>
<p>I enjoy the blog. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam &#124; dance stevenage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam &#124; dance stevenage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, someone talking some nutritional sense.  I&#039;m bored with adverts promoting sugary cereals as health foods... Special K in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, someone talking some nutritional sense.  I&#8217;m bored with adverts promoting sugary cereals as health foods&#8230; Special K in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: elsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 02:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a vegetarian for many years and lately I&#039;ve gained quite a few pounds ... I&#039;m 59 and completely frustrated with my diet (I&#039;m vegetarian for ethical reason) and just don&#039;t know which way to go ... have any suggestions?
Oh, and thanks for the post on bad foods ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a vegetarian for many years and lately I&#8217;ve gained quite a few pounds &#8230; I&#8217;m 59 and completely frustrated with my diet (I&#8217;m vegetarian for ethical reason) and just don&#8217;t know which way to go &#8230; have any suggestions?<br />
Oh, and thanks for the post on bad foods &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 06:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why the heavy cream? just wondering ...

&lt;strong&gt;@ Elsa: I reccomend heavy cream as it is full of good nourishing fats. Have a look at this post for more info........&lt;a href=&quot;http://zentofitness.com/bad-foods-which-are-good-for-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bad Foods that are good for you.....&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why the heavy cream? just wondering &#8230;</p>
<p><strong>@ Elsa: I reccomend heavy cream as it is full of good nourishing fats. Have a look at this post for more info&#8230;&#8230;..<a href="http://zentofitness.com/bad-foods-which-are-good-for-you/" rel="nofollow">Bad Foods that are good for you&#8230;..</a></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t eaten any grain for about six weeks and feel better than I have in a long, long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t eaten any grain for about six weeks and feel better than I have in a long, long time.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Norris</title>
		<link>http://zentofitness.com/living-with-grains-in-a-modern-world/comment-page-1/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Chris.  I&#039;m totally on board with you on this idea.  Dropping grains &amp; their derivatives from the diet is the single most important thing (aside from dropping sugar) that society can do to improve overall health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Chris.  I&#8217;m totally on board with you on this idea.  Dropping grains &amp; their derivatives from the diet is the single most important thing (aside from dropping sugar) that society can do to improve overall health.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i used to be a total paleo head. grains and dairy were the great evils. well, considering the ways in which we prepare most of our foods nowadays, they&#039;re certainly unhealthy if bought as conventional products. pasteurization and homogenization of milk makes it one of the worst things one could possibly drink. that, along with the fact that it comes from sick cows, is what makes it so bad. 

i&#039;m just rabbling on. my point here is that i don&#039;t think grains are all that bad if grown and prepared properly. after reading weston a. price&#039;s research on traditional societies, it seems rather obvious that it is fully possible to maintain super health consuming mainly grains and dairy. the population of the small isolated valley of Loetschental consumed a diet consisting of 90 % grains and dairy. they had superior health and experienced none of the chronic illnesses normally seen in modern society. the main difference is of course that they ate food that was self grown. their grains were fermented, their milk was pure and raw, and their cows were healthy all the year around. they didn&#039;t even brush their teethes, and yet they had no dental degeneration of any kind. same with the masai tribe in africa; they consumed large amounts of milk, yet they we&#039;re as healthy and as strong as humans could possibly be. 

the way i see it, the main problem with the modern world is the way in which we prepare our foods. we use artificial and unnatural ingredients, and let&#039;s not even forget about how we raise the animals we eat, or how we grow our vegetables. 

as for someone living in a modern society, unable to get a hold on properly prepared organic grains and unpasteurized organic milk, i think the paleo way is a good choice. however, i strongly disagree with some of the paleo heads who claims that one should only eat lean meat. cordaine claims we should eat as our ancestors, and yet we&#039;re supposed to avoid fat? that doesn&#039;t make sense. findings indicate that the paleo diet consisted of a lot of animal fat. just take a look at the eskimos; they eat a diet consisting of 80 % fat and they&#039;re among the healthiest and strongest people in the world. 

i&#039;m sorry, this was a long post. i think that dropping the grains from our diet in this modern society is definitely a good choice. readers should follow Chris&#039; advice on this one. 

to anyone reading this: i strongly urge you to look into weston price&#039;s research. he spent 8 years traveling around the world, visiting the healthiest and fittest people in the world. he observed traditional societies and found the true cause of degenerative diseases and overweight. 

peace out, sorry... this post was waaay too long. :)

&lt;strong&gt;@ Isaac: Cool comment. I myself am far from a total Paleo eater I tend to sway more towards the EF model. I still enjoy a good piece of crusty bread from time to time especially good with some raw cheese. Fatty meat is definitely on the agenda especially when its grass fed/quality stuff. Thanks for the comment it makes for a great contribution to the post.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i used to be a total paleo head. grains and dairy were the great evils. well, considering the ways in which we prepare most of our foods nowadays, they&#8217;re certainly unhealthy if bought as conventional products. pasteurization and homogenization of milk makes it one of the worst things one could possibly drink. that, along with the fact that it comes from sick cows, is what makes it so bad. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m just rabbling on. my point here is that i don&#8217;t think grains are all that bad if grown and prepared properly. after reading weston a. price&#8217;s research on traditional societies, it seems rather obvious that it is fully possible to maintain super health consuming mainly grains and dairy. the population of the small isolated valley of Loetschental consumed a diet consisting of 90 % grains and dairy. they had superior health and experienced none of the chronic illnesses normally seen in modern society. the main difference is of course that they ate food that was self grown. their grains were fermented, their milk was pure and raw, and their cows were healthy all the year around. they didn&#8217;t even brush their teethes, and yet they had no dental degeneration of any kind. same with the masai tribe in africa; they consumed large amounts of milk, yet they we&#8217;re as healthy and as strong as humans could possibly be. </p>
<p>the way i see it, the main problem with the modern world is the way in which we prepare our foods. we use artificial and unnatural ingredients, and let&#8217;s not even forget about how we raise the animals we eat, or how we grow our vegetables. </p>
<p>as for someone living in a modern society, unable to get a hold on properly prepared organic grains and unpasteurized organic milk, i think the paleo way is a good choice. however, i strongly disagree with some of the paleo heads who claims that one should only eat lean meat. cordaine claims we should eat as our ancestors, and yet we&#8217;re supposed to avoid fat? that doesn&#8217;t make sense. findings indicate that the paleo diet consisted of a lot of animal fat. just take a look at the eskimos; they eat a diet consisting of 80 % fat and they&#8217;re among the healthiest and strongest people in the world. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m sorry, this was a long post. i think that dropping the grains from our diet in this modern society is definitely a good choice. readers should follow Chris&#8217; advice on this one. </p>
<p>to anyone reading this: i strongly urge you to look into weston price&#8217;s research. he spent 8 years traveling around the world, visiting the healthiest and fittest people in the world. he observed traditional societies and found the true cause of degenerative diseases and overweight. </p>
<p>peace out, sorry&#8230; this post was waaay too long. <img src='http://zentofitness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@ Isaac: Cool comment. I myself am far from a total Paleo eater I tend to sway more towards the EF model. I still enjoy a good piece of crusty bread from time to time especially good with some raw cheese. Fatty meat is definitely on the agenda especially when its grass fed/quality stuff. Thanks for the comment it makes for a great contribution to the post.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going grain free (and mostly sugar free) is one of the best things I have ever done in terms of my health-- clearer skin, more energy, leaner. I recommend it to everyone. Thank you for posting meal options and ideas, it is difficult sometimes in our society, but with a shift of mindset it can be done. I at first had no idea how to give up the &quot;healthy&quot; cereal I was eating sometimes twice a day...I don&#039;t miss it at all now-- I just needed good recipes to make the switch. Thanks for more ideas.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Kat: Awesome testimonial, it goes to show what a profound difference such a small alternation to diet can make. Glad you have gotten over the cereal craving!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going grain free (and mostly sugar free) is one of the best things I have ever done in terms of my health&#8211; clearer skin, more energy, leaner. I recommend it to everyone. Thank you for posting meal options and ideas, it is difficult sometimes in our society, but with a shift of mindset it can be done. I at first had no idea how to give up the &#8220;healthy&#8221; cereal I was eating sometimes twice a day&#8230;I don&#8217;t miss it at all now&#8211; I just needed good recipes to make the switch. Thanks for more ideas.</p>
<p><strong>@ Kat: Awesome testimonial, it goes to show what a profound difference such a small alternation to diet can make. Glad you have gotten over the cereal craving!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Methuselah - Pay Now Live Later</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methuselah - Pay Now Live Later</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 09:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Chris - am interested to know where you get your coconut flakes. I like the idea of a grain-free meusli with coconut cream - and the coconut flakes seem like the missing link - nuts, seeds and fruits alone tend to be a bit heavy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Chris &#8211; am interested to know where you get your coconut flakes. I like the idea of a grain-free meusli with coconut cream &#8211; and the coconut flakes seem like the missing link &#8211; nuts, seeds and fruits alone tend to be a bit heavy.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee &#38; Vanilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coffee &#38; Vanilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 08:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, thank you for reminding me to have more healthy breakfast... I&#039;m heading to the kitchen to bake some granola ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, thank you for reminding me to have more healthy breakfast&#8230; I&#8217;m heading to the kitchen to bake some granola <img src='http://zentofitness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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